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| Posted: 03 May 2007 06:17 | ||
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I love seo-board. My Buell forum owns everything on Google, even for the search 'buell'. Yahoo places a huge weight on W3C compliance and my seo-board forum doesn't rank for any of my keywords or phrases. I have found over 500 errors on the home page of the seo-board forum alone. This could pose a huge problem since Yahoo is the second largest search engine. What if Google follows Yahoo on W3C compliance? I have fixed about 20 issues on my own, but I am not an advanced programmer, so I will never be able to repair all 500 errors. Hristo, could we get an update to fix these issues? 
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| Posted: 03 May 2007 14:45 | ||
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You are barking the wrong tree. No decent search engine places ANY value on w3c compliance since this does NOT improve relevancy. Yahoo is in the relevancy business and no searchers will check for w3c compliance before judging the relevance of the information on any page. That's a myth. Yahoo's pages are not w3c compliant. That's just a standard that has no weight whatsoever. __________________ Are you looking for an SEO Consultant?
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| Posted: 04 May 2007 02:34 | ||
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You know I appreciate what you've done sooooo much and I know you know your stuff, but I'm 90% sure that Yahoo places a high value on W3C. I have had my programmer do this to my other sites and I could see results in days. I just think it would take too much time to have him attack over 500 non-compliance issues.
What else would explain my Buellxb.com forum not ranking on Yahoo at all, but dominating on Google. My forum ranks on page one for 'buell', 'buell xb', 'buell forum', 'buell parts', 'buell motorcycles', etc. on Google, but it doesn't make the first page for any of these terms on Yahoo aside from 'buell forum'. I correct spelling and add keywords to most member posts. Metas are there, content is there, the site is aged, has alt tags, an e-commerce store with products has been added, and I have done a pretty good job of building quality link popularity. |
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| Posted: 04 May 2007 02:52 | ||
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"Yahoo! is the second biggest of the three major engines and includes an enormous network of websites. The algorithm is based on that of Inktomi which Yahoo! purchased back in 2002 as part of their plan to stop serving Google results to search queries. The algorithm itself can pose a problem for some SEO's as we optimize client websites to rank highly on multiple search engines due to the way that it deffers from Google and MSN. That said, any issue can be addressed provided that the right attention is given to the right details.
Site Structure On no other engine is site structure more important than on Yahoo! While having a good site structure is important for a vaiety of reasons, it was on Yahoo! that Beanstalk noted the most significant gains when we brought our homepage and key internals into compliance with W3C standards (the rest of the site will be brought into compliance as part of our complete redesign scheduled for launch on April 24th). While slight gains were noticeable on both Google and MSN they were so minor that they may well have just been part of the ebb-and-flow of the results. On Yahoo! however we noted a three page jump the day the changes were picked up. No other changes to the site were performed during this time." Source: http://www.isedb.com/db/articles/1421/ SEO and W3C you do not have to compromise one for the other. Strong CSS and xhtml coding is the best way to achieve your SEO Search Engine Optimization and W3C compliance has to be seen as a reassuring sign of quality. Major search engines like Yahoo, Google and MSN are fighting a constant battle against sites that try to beat their search algorithms. The major search engines are trying to ban poor quality scam sites from the top of their listings." Source: http://dotukdirectory.co.uk/seo-and-w3c.html You seem so sure about the fact that w3c validation of syntax does not affect the placement of a web site within the SERPs. I believe it does. I believe anything you can do to make your web site more user friendly and more compatible across multiple platforms and browsers has a big impact on your ranking. So W3C validation may not have a HUGE impact it self but I do believe it helps. It's one of the many things that you can do to optimize for search engines (search engines want to please the user, the more you do to make your site user friendly and compatible will help) when developing a web site. Source: http://www.ozzu.com/ftopic69953.html |
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| Posted: 04 May 2007 08:51 | ||
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Google and Yahoo have different ranking algorithms, and it is no wonder your or any other site can do well on one and not do well on another. In one of the links, the author says keyword density matters, which is again nonsense since this "factor" has NEVER really been used by a top search engine even the original/first Google. Just wrestle the facts - compliance does not improve relevancy. Yahoo's pages are not W3C compliant themselves. Everyone and their grandma is writing SEO articles. For everyone whose traffic miraculously increased after making their sites w3c compliant, there are hundreds that didn't budge a position. Rankings change daily and some webmasters/seos attribute it to changes they've made to the sites while in reality it could be anything else like an algorithm update, index update, other sites getting more/less links etc.
I am telling you - it is a waste of time. Try it, and let me know how it goes. It is somewhat important that all tags are nested properly, but that's all that matters. __________________ Are you looking for an SEO Consultant?
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| Posted: 04 May 2007 15:40 | ||
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| I trust you. I don't have the knowledge to fix all the errors anyway. I rather have a high ranking site on Google than an OK ranking site on Yahoo and Google. I'm getting about 400 unique visitors from Google organic searches daily (based on Google analytics), so I can't complain too much. | ||
| Posted: 04 May 2007 17:22 | ||
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buellxb,
you can trust me on this one. Yahoo is a tough search engine to rank for a variety of terms. You can do well on some, but it is rarely on a wide variety. Traffic from Google on the other side, increases/decreases uniformly across a wide range of terms. Anyway, links are the key here. __________________ Are you looking for an SEO Consultant?
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| Posted: 05 May 2007 02:28 | ||
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If you want to be linked on Yahoo, it's imperative to have a robots.txt
..just my 2 cents for what it's worth. |
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| Posted: 05 May 2007 17:32 | ||
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| Thanks Hristo. What if I just added a robots.txt index follow. Is there a way to make it more or less effective? | ||
| Posted: 05 May 2007 18:33 | ||
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By default search engines crawl and index everything that does not explicitly forbids it. So, robots.txt is useless for this task. __________________ Are you looking for an SEO Consultant?
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| Posted: 08 May 2007 00:30 | ||
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| Hristo, did you ever get my email? What do you charge hourly for SEO services? My firm does SEO and web design. We're doing about 4 to 6 high-end sites per month. Check us out and let me know. www.slingshotseo.com | ||
| Posted: 08 May 2007 08:15 | ||
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buellxb,
I haven't got your email. I don't charge hourly for SEO . I charge per project and I am very picky of my clients. I only do work for sites that: - have a high ROI (usually sell stuff or services) - are real businesses that offer value and are in for the long haul - the ones hiring me trust me 100% Most of my clients are old friends from the American University in Bulgaria. They fit best the above requirements. __________________ Are you looking for an SEO Consultant?
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| Posted: 08 May 2007 16:35 | ||
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Some of my clients are...
www.metrorp.com (ROI in three months) www.thomasmedical.com www.georgebellows.com www.newprocontainers.com (ROI in five months) www.qualitysilks.com Sites in the works... www.slingshotseo.com/poly/ www.slingshotseo.com/crossroads/ www.slingshotseo.com/precise/ We have a PHP programmer, two graphic designers, and myself as the salesperson/SEO guy. A lot of our skills overlap. I love your work and I don't see any reason not to trust you completely. We only deal with local clients and we have an office for them to visit. Our goal is to make every client successful, not to just make a quick buck. Let me know if this is something that would be of any interest to you. I understand if you're not interested. |
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| Posted: 08 May 2007 19:32 | ||
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buellxb,
email me what kind of tasks are you interested in me doing (seo is a general term) and roughly what kinda money can you spend on my services. __________________ Are you looking for an SEO Consultant?
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| Posted: 12 May 2007 09:48 | ||
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I sent you an email. 
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| Posted: 15 May 2007 19:38 | ||
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Just to confirm what Hristo said--with the board I run, I do very well in Google, but it took about 1-2 years before Yahoo caught up. I didn't have to do anything--one day my traffic just spiked.
There are different considerations to ranking high in Yahoo than Google. They both have different "sandboxes", they both put different weights on inbound links, they both put different weights on on-page optimization. The key for any Webmaster is to just put up great content that people look for and can't find on any site. That's it. The algorithms will catch up. If you constantly try to tweak for this or that, you're going to just frustrate yourself and constantly be playing catch-up. I've done SEO for a number of very high profile sites, and that's the best advice I can give you. |
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| Posted: 16 May 2007 17:37 | ||
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buellxb,
I've sent you an email. I agree what hcl said - it is better to focus on basic SEO, making valuable sites and time will take care of the rest. I am in for the long term. __________________ Are you looking for an SEO Consultant?
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| Posted: 06 Aug 2007 06:09 | ||
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Hey Hristo, sorry it's been so long since we've hired you to comment on a site. A couple projects were postponed by the clients, and other recent sites have been less competitive. Hope all is well!
We did a major redesign on our homepage, slingshotseo.com. Recently finished clients... www.circlecitycopperworks.com www.polyprotools.com www.crossroadsindustrialservices.com We're working on drtodds.com, level-solutions.com and ecoparkinglights.com currently. We will probably need your help on drtodds.com when we're done with the PHP rebuild, and level-solutions.com. |
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2007 17:25 | ||
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I am on a vacation right now (should be over in 10 days). Email me any details and I will look it up after I get back home. __________________ Are you looking for an SEO Consultant?
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| Posted: 22 Sep 2007 15:28 | ||
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My freinds site www.acholinet.com does well in yahoo but has done very poorly in google, inspite of using google sitemap.
So she decided completely to abandone googlesite map. Walla! the site was snow showing on google. either google site map limits googles spidering or sumthing I dont know. |
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